
Year of birth: 1972
Profession:
- CEO, Managing Director, Optimist, Business Transformation, Expert in growth and restructuring
- Owner of: Snugger
Place of residence: Velp
I was the sort of person who’d sign up for a gym membership on 1 January and by 15 January was already wondering why on earth I’d done it. At the time, I fancied taking up Kung Fu, but I felt I should have started about 10 to 20 years earlier. At some point, I thought: why not?
I started with Shaolin Kung Fu. That was a fantastic move. I took it seriously and attended both private and group lessons. I enjoyed it immensely right from the start. What I did notice, however, is that Shaolin Kung Fu requires you to be very flexible, and I’m not. My Sifu therefore advised me to try Wing Chun. A discipline I’d never heard of at the time, but which I immediately became hooked on.
Wing Chun immediately appealed to me because of its efficiency, direct approach and scientific logic, in which defence and attack occur simultaneously. I also really appreciate the way lessons are taught at WuDae. The instructors can always explain why you do something in a particular way. That’s important to me. I don’t want to just copy something, but to understand what I’m doing. Not because this way of moving has been passed down for years, but because it makes sense and is logical.
I train at various schools, taking classes in kickboxing and MMA as well as Wing Chun. As I’ve taken a sabbatical, I now have the time for it, although I do have to get up early for the morning Wing Chun classes from 09:30 to 11:00. I’m in the car leaving Velp at 6.30 am, even though I’m not even a morning person. Still, it’s absolutely worth it. I’ve truly found my passion in Wing Chun. It’s the first time I’ve practised a sport that I’m willing to do anything for. I train two or three times a week at WuDae in The Hague and have now also ordered a wooden dummy so I can continue training at home.

In January 2026, I went to Hong Kong on my own for a month. I thought it would be brilliant to learn Wing Chun at the source, in the place where it originated. For me, this was a huge step, because loneliness is one of my greatest fears. I was worried that after a week I wouldn’t enjoy it after all and would want to go back, but I’m really glad I did it.
I need structure in my life. Without it, I’d soon end up getting out of bed late, or watching loads of Netflix, for example, which would result in a whole string of wasted days. Other people help me to create that structure. In Hong Kong, too, I followed a busy schedule. I went to six or seven schools, where I trained in different styles two or three times a day, seven days a week. Every now and then, I was even glad to be on my own for a while. To be able to sit in the sun in the park and not have to do anything. To eat alone in a restaurant – something I wouldn’t normally have found enjoyable at all, but now it was lovely. A moment to myself. That was a special experience.
I absolutely love puzzles and solving problems. That came in very handy, because until recently I was working as the director of a large rental company. In that role, you’re faced with decisions every single day, and what you do in one department can have an impact on another. I enjoy thinking about that – solving complex puzzles that encompass all aspects of an organisation.
As well as looking around for a new job, I’m working on projects through my own consultancy firm, ‘Snuggur’. It specialises in organisational consultancy, with a holistic approach to management. I call this ‘quantum management’, where, rather than dividing the organisation up as in traditional management, the focus is on the interconnections and systemic impact of changes.
Although I really enjoy carrying out projects through my own business, I’d eventually like to go back to working for a larger company. To be surrounded by colleagues to work with. I think it would be absolutely wonderful to become the director of an organisation with a charitable mission, one where you can make a real difference to the lives of so many people.
The happiest moments of my life were the births of my four children: Thomas, Merel, Simon and Robin. They’re all grown-ups now, and as I’m 53, I’m becoming increasingly aware of how quickly time flies. I try to enjoy life and to pass that on to the people around me.
A few years ago, I undertook a coaching programme to gain a better grasp of certain situations. The focus of this was on mapping out my own life story. At first, I didn’t really understand why, but eventually I came to realise just how much my parents have shaped the way I approach life today. For example, they always set an example by showing me that everyone is equal. It’s something so deeply ingrained in me that I’m actually still averse to hierarchy. Although I’ve also learnt that sometimes you have to find a way to navigate that. After all, people expect you to take the lead in certain situations. You’re all equal, but you don’t all have the same role within an organisation.
During my childhood, my parents did everything they could to give me a good upbringing. Just as my wife and I have done for our children. It hasn’t always been easy in our family. We’ve had to make impossible choices, but I hope that my children, too, will be able to enjoy the beautiful moments and experiences in life above all else.

Looking back on my life, I do wish I’d sought out more adventure and dared to take more risks. I’ve always lived with a certain sense of security and safety, and now I’m increasingly convinced that things will work out. One way or another.
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Text and photos by: Robine Hillen
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